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As a retired Columbus Police Officer with 28 years on the job, 14 as a Sergeant, I find it sickening to watch these so-called police officers screw over the public.  These clowns in New Rome have no idea of what the spirit of the law is, nor do they care.   Chasing people from the village as far west as Sunset Cemetary and south to Hall  Road for some silly taillight violation is absurd.  But I'm sure these wanna-be cops think this is the right thing to do.  Hopefully the new mayor can rid himself and the village of the present council, disband this so-called police dept. and let the sheriff  assume enforcement of laws.

Jim says:

I am keeping my fingers crossed for Jamie!  I hope he doesn't take offense to my web site if he has seen it.  I don't think he sucks.



First, a question.  Are there "Reduced Speed Limit Ahead" signs postedon Broad St. prior to the 35 mph zone?  I don't know if these arerequired by law.
Next some advice to others and in particular, "Michelle".  SIGN a citation where it asks for your signature.  Your signature is NOT an admission of guilt, but a signature type bond where you agree to pay a fine OR  contest the charge at a later time in court.  State Law grants the citing officer the authority to arrest you at once for refusing to sign and your vehicle will probably be impounded along with you.
Next, you can not be stopped just for not wearing a seat belt in Ohio.(Some states you can be and will be cited.)  A primary violation has to be committed first, before a seatbelt violation comes into play.  I agree wearing seatbelts is wise, those who don't probably have never been in a serious collision. The advice I  do know for fact.  Oh, one last piece of advise.  Before throwing around accuastions of payoffs  and bribery, You better be able to back it up and Prove it, including if you heard it from "Someone Else".
Thanks,  Gary

Jim says:

They do have a Reduce Speed sign from the direction I was traveling.  I was made aware of  it's existence in court.  I went to check on it and found that it is placed near a bus stop and leaned back from the road like maybe someone has bumped it with a car at some point.  Again, very poor sign placement and condition.  These signs do warn motorists of a speed change, but do not dictate the speed you can go.  Have you ever seen a Reduce Speed sign at a construction zone only to find that the construction is gone or is on hold and there is no Speed Limit saying to go slower.  A few people have mailed me saying I'm wrong and should just pay because the law is the law.  That is my point.  The law IS the law and I'm working to use that against them.  They just don't like their own medicine.

The following passage was taken from: http://www.ohioinsurancefactbook.org/chaptersix/chapter_six4.htm

     Legislation was introduced in 1999 that would make the failure to wear seat belts a primary traffic offense in Ohio. This means that law enforcement officers could stop vehicles any time they observed unbuckled drivers or passengers. At publication date, HB 290 (Peterson) had been voted out of Committee, with two amendments being introduced. The first would require insurers not to raise rates based on tickets issued for not wearing safety belts. The other calls for a six-month "grace period" after the bill becomes law allowing law enforcement officers to issue "warnings" instead of citations during this period.
 

Any of our Law Enforcement readers care to shed some light on if this is being enforced now?



Hi Jim

      My name is jim also, I know about new rome, I lived in columbus area all my life and last 23 years in hilliard.Although i've never got a ticket from there (because I avoid the area) I have a friend who has a night mare experience that i'm gonna have her send to you.I've read all the things about new rome and have known about them for a long time. I know that just recently now some government bodies are getting involved in the investigation. Ron Obrien, Jim Petry, and even the state, Betty Montgomery's office. My question is, have you tried to contact any federal authorties now that the cat has been let out of the bag and there has  been so much in the papers about all this? I've heard that their may even be a possibility of federal prosecution by breaking federal racketeering laws.I'm sure one of the best things you could do is get the feds interested in this, now that a lot of other government agencies are investigating it. Good luck on your endeaver.

                                          Jim

Jim says:

I have tried getting the State and Federal people involved and didn't get anywhere.  I think you have to know someone to get anything done.  Most people only want to do the minimum that their job requires until made to do more.  My words weren't enough to make them do more.  Sure, now that it's all over the paper and on TV they get their ass in gear, but I can't help but fear it will be swept under the table.  I think our only hope is with the new Mayor.



Hi Jim,

after reading the article in the dispatch this morning, I felt I had to put in my 2 cents. There is no doubt the time has come for the state or the city of Columbus to put a end to all of the injustices that have taken place there over the past 30 plus years. I think it is great that you have taken a very bold move in establishing the website calling attention  to New Rome. I too believe you should have obtained counsel, plead not guilty  and had the case heard in Franklin county municipal court. maybe it's not too late.  Anyway, I want you to know some of my thoughts and feelings concerning the infamous New Rome P.D. I am a retired state trooper would worked the west side my entire career. I feel that they have been a major embarrassment to the law enforcement profession. the police officers that work the streets have to get their orders from the chief. That position , I believe, is where all of the ill will can be traced to. Sure the law is the law but I learned a long time ago that if you intend  to enforce the law you must use a lot of common sense. what is wrong with writing a few warnings for the minor violations and writing tickets on the people who actually commit flagrant violations? you seldom hear of folks receiving warnings from New Rome P.D. I certainly have heard my share of horror stories from people who have been busted by New Rome P.D. over the years. Police officers have a very difficult job to do as everyone knows, however, they must strive to reflect a professional image at all times . I also attempted to treat the motoring public the very same way I would want to be treated if I was the one being pulled over. I wonder if they ever stopped and considered that thought for a moment?  Any way, I feel it's time  that the New Rome village government be dissolved and the citizens receive their protection from the Franklin county Sheriff's department and other services from Prairie Twp. Keep up the fight Jim!  Steve

Jim says:

Thanks for your support!  I agree!  They use no common sense when handing out the tickets.  I don't think they are really looking to protect, but just to make money.  When I went to court I was the only speeding ticket being fought.  Most everyone else was there for no license, no insurance, invalid tags, and several were illegal aliens!!  They were all let go with no jail time provided they pay their large fines.  What kind of justice is that!



JIM-
THIS SITE IS SO COOL ! I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE ( NEW ROME ) FOR THE LAST 7-YEARS. THEY SIT AND WATCH FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MISTAKE, AND THEY GOT YA ! WHATA TRAP.
    MY FOLKS COME TO VISIT ( THEY LIVE IN LIMA, OH ) AND THEY TAKE THE BACK WAY IN, WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE. YOUR FOLKS CANT EVEN VISIT WITH OUT BEING CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING A TICKET.
    I WENT TO THE ( ELECTED ) MAYORS MEETING LAST WEEKEND AND IT LASTED ALL OF TEN MINUTES. WHAT A JOKE. THESE PEOPLE ON COUNCEL ( AT LEAST 2 OF THEM WERE THERE ) MADE TOTAL IDIOTS OUT OF THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF WHAT INBREDS THEY REALLY ARE. WHAT A SHAME.

                                                 MARK

Jim says:

Hell, from what I am getting in the mail you don't even have to make a mistake to get pulled over!  It's all just random checks and pulling people over who they think might be breaking the law!  I saw some of the meeting on TV.  I feel bad for the Mayor.  He has his hands full!



Have you checked into what is needed to disband New Rome.  This is the only way to really handle it.  I would think the residents would be the only way to do it.  Perhaps if all of the residents names, address and phone numbers were posted and let people petition them to disband the village.  The answer is to get rid of it completely like they did in Darbydale a few years ago.

Also, what about renting one of the large signs and putting your web site address up.

You are on the right track.  Just keep focused on getting rid of the whole problem.

Remember, He who laughs last, laughs best!

Bill

Jim says:

There was an editorial in The Columbus Dispatch about dissolving New Rome.  From what the person says, it doesn't look like it would be too hard at all.  I would like to see that happen!  I am also going to look into the cost of renting benches and boards to put the messages on.  That would be really nice!  Maybe I can get some Corporate Sponsors to help with this!

Editorial - UNBUILT IN A DAY?  New Rome could dissolve if residents choose



Dear Jim.
You are doing a good service to the people of Columbus and surrounding communities by properly informing them of fact, not fiction, on New Rome's wrongdoing. The way you prove your case of the sign height and their ignorance is fantastic! I live in South Charleston now. but use to live on the hilltop. I have always known this "Barney Fife" cop town. I would say if you would have a runny nose, don't even try to go through this po-dink slum because you may get a ticket for indecent exposure. ha ha! Keep up the good work and down with New Rome!!! I'm adding this site to the favorites cause it's too damn good.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Thank you.
Brian

Jim says:

Thanks for your support Brian!  As they said on G I Joe, knowing is half the battle!  I figure the more people this reaches the better.  Not just for my cause, but for everyone who has been abused by the system.  We all have rights, but we usually don't know them well enough to defend ourselves and in many cases hiring a lawyer just isn't financially feasible.  Why is it WE pay to protect criminals who can't afford it?  What about protecting innocent people who can't afford it?  Yeah our crimes may not be murder, but it costs us in many ways and it lives forever in our minds how we were wronged.  All we can do it tell our stories and hope something changes.



Jim

Growing up in Lincoln Village, everybody knew to stay well under the speed limit in New Rome.
I do not, alas, have a tale of woe. In fact, I have one to the contrary and may even be the only one!
At the tender age of 17, I went around a corner in my 1975 Ford Pinto way too fast. I was late to school.
The officer pulled me over, I explained my story and HE LET ME GO.
Talk about luck!
I check out www.dispatch.com every once in a while as I now live in England. Saw the story about New Rome police and your web site details.

Thought I'd pass my story along.
Jeff

Jim says:

We're International!  Whoo hoo!

They probably fired that one for being too soft after they found out he didn't ticket you.  It is good to know that in the past they have let people go.  I heard if you're a New Rome resident you will most likely be left off the hook.  Of course, if you're a New Rome resident you are probably on the Town Council.



I am a Deputy for Franklin County and I think this site is GREAT! it s hilarious. I am also a lifelong westside resident and have had to endure the woes of The Village of New Rome when not on duty. Just to let you know, every cop that i work with thinks that New Rome is a joke and we do not consider them real cops.
         Dave

Jim says:

Thanks Dave!  That does seem to be the common feelings among law enforcement groups!  I'm still looking for these New Rome cops that have went on to become a cop in a larger department!



HI
I agree with and personally can feel for you. I like many others are victims of valley view. I notice in the past months that
v.v. police don't sit at thier ticking corner. it used to be an every day thing. Being ex military I've traveled abit in my time every other state I've been cited for an vechile problem ie. loud exhaust, lights etc. was a problem you fixed and showed proof of by set date or, not a fine until you failed to do so. Safty of the vechile was first not the goverments budget. The town where my mother lives (Ga) got in trouble for generating too much revenue from traffic violations. Dose Ohio have simular laws and/or should they. I would support a march on any of these abuser and would like to see a web site on Valley View

I have got a few letters on Valley View.  Someone should make a site about them!  It's not hard and I would certainly promote it!  Of course, I haven't heard anything near the horror stories I have heard about New Romes corruption and abuse.  If anyone has one, please share!



Hello there.  I had an idea.  I want to be a police officer, but not like them.  They give the rest of the polcie a bad name.  I say lets protest.  Stand right outside city limits with signs saying slow down.  Saying how we feel about them.  Then drive through the city very slow like 30 miles per hour.  And just really make them mad.  And we wont stop until the cheif is gone.

Benjamin the concerned

Jim says:

I have thought of that!  I think we should all do it!  If anyone wants to organize something of this nature I will GLADLY put out the word and take part in the march!  It would be great!  I have also had ideas/suggestions to rent bill board and benches in the New Rome area!  All great ideas and I am going to look into it.



Jim:

Hello, I just posted a TOW on your web site from almost 30 years ago.  Nothing has changed there in all those years.  I am a retired Columbus Police Officer and proud of that fact.  Please try in some way to let the readers of your web site know that the New Rome Officers (if you can call them that) are not typical of the men and women who wear the badge and uniform of law enforcement across this great nation of ours.  The VAST MAJORITY of officers would be embarrassed to write the tickets and engage in the actions described on your site and in the media.  Their Chief called his department "A training grounds for officers to go to larger departments"  What a joke!!!
Keep up the good work
Ed

Jim says:

Thanks Ed!  I like to get message from Law Enforcement Officers talking about how bad New Rome is.  I kind of wonder if New Rome police get let go by other Police groups?  I somehow doubt it because the common theme is NONE of them like New Rome because they act so shamefully!



I read about your website in todays paper,and just had to tell you about my new rome experience, I have some friends that live west of "new rome"(not worthy of capital letters) Every Year we get together on New Years Eve for a FAMILY TYPE  gathering (wife,kids etc.) At the time I was working where there was a lot of construction,  While driving thru new rome my wife realized we needed  pop, I was in the left lane heading west, I accelerated, turned on my signal,(watching my speed and the new rome prick, er ,um, I mean Cop that was sitting on broad street)I accelerated to 34 MPH and pulled into the IGA parking lot to get some soda, imagine my surprise when I exited my vehicle to a beautiful red and blue light show in the parking lot behind me, I know the law and I know what jerks the cops are there! so I informed the officer that I know I wasn't speeding , I didn't do anything wrong, and wasn't going to take his sh*$   After he ran my liscense he informed me THERE WAS MUD SPLASHED UP ON MY FRONT PLATE AND IT WAS HARD TO READ And I was lucky he would just give me a warning this time.I told him it must be a bitch to have nothing better to do than sit on the side of road,looking in the mirror for someone to screw with! Needless to say I have since lost ALL respect for new rome..Thanks Randy

Jim says:

Wow Randy!  It take guts to do that!  I applaud you!  I'm glad you didn't end up getting man handled as some people have.



ok heres a question for anybody that can answer .. Since nobody knows whos legal to hold office are the ticketts currently being issued by New Rome LEGAL? IF the people who hired the officers And i even include the Chief didnt have legal authority do the ticketts hold water?

Jim says:

That's a good questions.  I know some of you out there are lawyers.  Any thoughts on this?



Absolutely loving this website........here is a suggestion...I think it would solve some of your headaches.....and future headaches..........pay the fine........in pennies.....AND .....insist that they be counted.......while you are present..........AND....make sure that jerk Cunningham is the one that counts it........and inform them that these pennies are marked in case they end up missing.....That does seem to be a problem with that you know......Dan

Jim says:

Thanks for the suggestion.  If for some reason I do decide to pay, that is how I will do it.  Would be entertaining to walk in with a wheel barrel of pennies and dump them on the floor and tell them to start counting.



Hi, Jim

I am glad to see that someone has the guts to do what you are doing.  I live in a small town that is not quite as bad as yours but is close.  Have been reading the articles in Dispatch, hope they keep it up and maybe the jerks will cool off a little. Keep it up.

Thanks,
Jim

Jim says:

Thanks for your support!  When I first started this little quest it was hard to find people who thought I was doing the right thing because a lot of people I know have it in mind that if the police say your wrong then you must be wrong.  It's good to get email from people who know right from wrong.



dear jim:

back in march, i got a ticket in columbus in my neighborhood for going 33 in a 25.  it was 1:00 p.m. on a school/work day.  the roads were clear.  the road was WIDE.  there was no other traffic on the road.  because it was cold outside, there was no one in the park adjoining the street.  there were no pedestrians.  no bicyclists.  the daylight was bright and visibility was
excellent.

at the time i told the officer i thought his ticket was "chicken-shit."

i almost paid the ticket.  but i am a lawyer admitted in two other states (not in ohio) and i thought, "i should read the law."  i went to the ohio state university law library.  not being familiar with that library, i asked a librarian to please find the code section i was cited for.  she got it for me in about 30 seconds.

i went to a table to read and discovered that the judge would be permitted to hear these facts and make a decision as to whether or not i was guilty of speeding.  the law i was cited under said that the posted speed limit is presumed to be the correct safe speed.  but there was the big "HOWEVER."   the big "HOWEVER" said that once the prosecution (the police officer and prosecutor) proved that i was exceeding the posted limit, i could offer evidence to show that the speed i was going was reasonable under the conditions prevailing.  so i asked the officer what time of day it was; whether the kids were at school and their parents at work; how wide the road was (he didn't know, so i told him my measurement and he agreed that that sounded about right); that visibility was good - etc.  all the factors i described above, the officer agreed with.

then i testified.  i showed photos to the prosecutor and judge (i brought 3 copies and numbered the pictures so that the judge, prosecutor and i would all have the same picture to look at when i testified) showing the wide street, the lack of other traffic and pedestrians, and the conditions.  I testified that i lived around the corner and took the pictures about 5 mins after the officer gave me the ticket; however, even if i had taken them later under the same conditions, the judge would have accepted them to show what the scene looked like.

then i argued that, in accordance with the law that said that i could offer evidence that the speed i was going was reasonable for conditions, that a wide street, on a work/school day without children present, where the road is wide, clear, free of defects, free of other traffic, that it was safe and reasonable to go a little faster than 25.

The judge said, "I've considered all the evidence and I have a reasonable doubt.  Not Guilty.  I think you could have been going a little faster."

The cop looked like someone stole an entire box of doughnuts from him.  The prosecutor looked like some kid who had just been beaten up by a lawyer with 16 years of complex trial litigation experience.  (Which is what happened.)  But the point is that there is no reason anyone else could not have handled his own ticket as I did this one.  traffic ticket law is not that difficult.

but you must go find the law under which you were cited (you may have been cited under a different code section than i was).  if that gives you a way to argue, you can take your case to court and represent yourself.  you have
to be polite (even though i'm not polite in person, i am in court).  and argue only the facts.  no judge cares about irrelevant issues.

the law i was cited under was a local law specifically designed to prevent officers from making speed traps like the one in which they caught me.  there are ohio state laws that are worded similarly that take precedence over local ordinances which create or permit ticketing for reasonable driving conduct.  you may have to ask that librarian for a little help guiding you toward the ohio laws to use them in your argument.

additionally, some judges don't want to listen.  i understand from reading the dispatch article that the police in new rome appoint the magistrate who tries the cases.  when i was trying traffic tickets, i was quick to appeal if the judge rolled over me.  once i got their attention, they started paying attention to the law.  the tricky part of appeals is that the judge can't have any evidence in favor of his ruling or you lose - OR - the judge has to show some arrogance about the law that taints whether or not he properly weighed the facts.  your case and my case (had i lost) would have been difficult from the standpoint that they got us on radar/laser exceeding the posted limit. and that is the presumed safe speed.  however, if i read the dispatch article correctly, the sign was posted incorrectly, not giving you notice, and columbus traffic engineers have declared 45 as the safe,
proper and posted limit, on the east side of new rome while whoever does the traffic surveys on the west side of new rome has also declared 45 as the proper speed.  these would be things that you would have to properly bring up at trial - but you should be able to get letters from the traffic engineers stating that 45 is the safe speed east and west of new rome - and
ask that those letters be admitted into evidence as business records.  maybe not.  maybe it's irrelevant what the speeds are east and west of new rome - the buildings there are closer to the street, if i recall.

i've taken a couple of years off of law practice.  but after i got that ticket in march i went to a courtroom with scores of people contesting their traffic tickets and not one lawyer.  so in a few months i'm going to try to get admitted to ohio and specialize in traffic law.  i think i can make a go of it if i do infractions for $100 and do some mass advertising and
advertise direct mail to lawyers - other lawyers specializing in other types of law can't afford to do a ticket for their clients or their clients' relatives and if i promise not to try to steal their business i should be able to get a lot of business from them.  if a judge rolls over me on a traffic case i'm going to do the appeals for my clients included in the $100 fee.  wish me luck.

as for your ticket.  good luck.  my feeling is that since the magistrate is appointed by the police chief, you're in appellate territory.  if you want to make an example of new rome, you're probably going to have to spend more money than you want to spend and hire an attorney who can take the time and follow through.  unfortunately, i'm not going to be practicing in time to help you.  but you have my emotional support.  good luck, again.

tim

Jim says:

Thanks for the story Tim!  It's inspirational to see that someone fought and won.  I think I could have won if I were a more aggressive person, but I was intimidated and shy about getting up and speaking.  I felt like a fool and kick myself when I think back on it.  Good luck with the appeals idea!  I know I would have called.  It's not easy finding a lawyer who wants to deal with these "small" cases.



Dear Jim,
I live very close to New Rome and I avoid it like the plague.  I will go 5 miles out of my way to get on the other side of New Rome and I know all the detours.  I've never gotten a ticket because I never go through it.  I'm only surprised that some one hasn't done something about it long ago.  They sure weren't paying attention.  GOOD LUCK in your fight and hope you succeed.
Peggy

Jim say:

Thanks for your support!  I am hoping thing will be chaning very soon.



I'm SHOCKED! You say New Rome might be/is a speed trap? Jim, where have you been? I grew up in Lincoln Village and have known for 47 years that New Rome was a place you would eventually get stopped in. You think it is bad now, you should have been around when Westland High School was first built. West Broad Street was a feeding frenzy before and after school.

Prior to the mid-1970's, Officers where allowed to go outside of their jurisdiction to enforce the State Code. So not only did you have to watch your driving in the City (?) of New Rome but the area around it. The four way stops on Beacon Hill where always a great place for them to "meet and greet the public." They also loved to run radar on Norton Road from Palmetto
to Broad.

So if you think this is something new, you would be wrong.

Good luck!

Jeff C, Westland Class of 1973

Jim says:

I know this has been going on a long time.  I just didn't know how crooked they were.  I have heard all my life how bad they were and that is why I was going under what I thought the speed limit was.  I had always been nervous while driving through New Rome.  I still can't believe how long they were able to get away with it.



Thank you for the excellent web site.  This is a great public service.  Just look at the statistics in the Feb 3, 2002 Columbus
Dispatch:  Twenty-four window tint violations in just 4 months in New Rome.  The window tint scam is what is commonly used in 3rd world countries to extort money from tourists and jail "undesirables."  To allow this to happen in this great nation is a travesty.  A suggestion for the web site:  post a map showing New Rome for those who want to avoid this black hole at all costs.

Jim says:

Thanks for the support!  I agree about the tint laws.  It's all about control and bending us to their will.  Like the seat belt laws.  That is just to make them money too.  Don't get me wrong, I think EVERYONE should wear a seat belt.  I wear mine every time.  BUT if I don't want to then I shouldn't have to.  I don't need Big Brother fining me if I choose not to.  This bring up an interesting story actually.  While waiting in the New Rome trailer er I mean court a case before mine was about not wearing a seat belt.  It turned out the police stopped him because he didn't see a shoulder belt.  The guy told the cop it was too old and didn't have a shoulder belt.  The cop gave him a ticket anyway!  The guy brought pictures of the old van and told the magistrate that it didn't have them.  When questioned the cop admitted that he pulled him over just because of not seeing a shoulder belt but didn't recall the guy telling him it didn't of course.  They let him go, but it shows that they just wanted him to pay the fine in case he didn't want to fight it as so many people do.



hey jim...great website. good for you for taking the initiative to "organize" resistance to new rome's insanity.

just a suggestion...if you have lived in columbus long enough, and travelled much on the west side, you might also know that VALLEYVIEW SUCKS!! if you have the time and energy, please start a website similar to newromesucks.com...i am sure there are hundreds [thousands?] of people who have been violated by the speed trap in valleyview as well!!!!!

bob

Jim says:

I agree that Valley View does suck too.  My dad got a ticket there a long time ago (in the early 80s) for going 30 in a 25 zone.  I think I have only traveled through that area a couple times and I always went close to 20 MPH.



I have written Betty Montgomery several times bemoaning this embarresing village in the heart of central Ohio...her response?..."We like to let local government run their own police departments."  This mentality propogates this abuse of our legal system. The problem lies in the lap of State politicians whose job it is to police these miscreants. Write the State Attornet General's office and demand some action.

Jim says:

It all comes down to no one cares about the little man and will not fix problems like this until it causes THEM problems.  If Betty had gotten a ticket in New Rome you can bet your first born that this issue would be resolved very quick.  Gee, we should all set up a little "Village" and start bringing in some of our own money!



A reader writes in:

Another action is to boycott ALL businesses in New Rome and make sure the businesses know about the boycott.  After all, most of the area is commercial and I expect the business owners have a lot of clout.

Jim says:

That wouldn't be too hard.  There is only like 5 or 6 there.  Dairy Queen, Porn Store, Motel, Flower Shop, and the Police Dept are the ones that come to mind.  Oh wait, I guess that is a "government" ran thing.  Sorry.  In an article I read some of the businesses aren't happy with New Rome already.  Hell, New Rome gets $400,000 in revenue from traffic fines!  Why would they care about the little they get from business taxes.  I'm surprised anyone in New Rome has to pay taxes at all since they get so much from traffic fines.  I guess a penny in taxes is a penny earned.



Jim,

It can be done, what needs to happen is overload them with legal actions, this is accomplished by numerous actions being filed two or three a day for months on end, we have done this before in communities that obtain their budget from such activities and it works.

Its the way you sign the Uniform Ohio Traffic Citation that helps, its done by arguing the juridicum of that court, and removing all the actions to another court, then its repeated motions to stay, during interoculatory appeals, and demand for a trial by jury, notices of fatal variances etc.

Its arguing the defects on the face of the citation, arguing that its not a Uniform Ohio traffic citation, attaching bonds of public servants demanding to see the authority under which they act. Remember the Uniform Ohio traffic citation is not really a complaint as much as it is a lien, when you sign it without reserving your common law rights -- you agree with it. It's basically
a UCC form 1.

We're going to have a meeting soon and can start a civil rights group to overrun those guys with more crap then they want to deal with. It gets really bad takes time but in the end worth the effort.

We can take back our rights! Besides the events didn't occur in New Rome they occurred on a state highway, under a state authority, and under a right to travel, don't forget the castle doctrine. Yo too are a sovereign, and have all rights you didn't waive any, so they remain you have to exercise them don't expect government to do it for you.

Regards,
Michelle the Pissed Off

Jim says:

Michelle,

I am not familiar with some of the things you are talking about.  Send me more links to with more detail them and I will put them on the resources page.  Thanks!



There are hundreds of small communities that set up unreasonable speed traps for the sole reason of making money. The average person does not have the time or resources to fight the ticket, and usually gets gouged by their insurance company for the "high risk" behavior of exceeding an artificially low speed limit by a barely measurable amount. This is abuse of power and a waste of time and money, solely for the purpose of funding superfluous little communities that serve as a public trough for lazy, incompetent "civil servants"

Jim says:

I agree!  Our own city raised the price of a parking ticket to generate revenue!  Does that sound like they are trying to protect or discourage us?  People get the ticket and "it's only 20 dollars," but fail to realize it's MILLIONS of dollars a year!



Why not organize a march on New Rome ? I go to Captial University and bet I could get some students to join in a protest against the tyranny going on in our backyards ?

Jim says:

That's a GREAT idea!  I wanted to do this way back when I first got my ticket.  Great minds think alike!  I just didn't know enough people to do it!  We really should look into this!  Would anyone else be interested in a little feather ruffling?



I do not have a Story but have heard many.  I live a few blocks from NewRome and never speed through it I avoid it most of the time.  I have heard though from a police officer that lives near me that he works for the sheriffs office.  That they handle all of New Romes DUI back a few years ago due to some illegal DUI convictions New Rome is no longer allowed to do DUI.
So if you are ever pulled over and New Rome tries to charge you for DUI ask to speak to a Franklin County Sheriff because if New Rome is doing it most likely what they are looking for is to shake you down for some cash to get out of the DUI which I have also heard they are known to take bribes.

Jim says:

Good.  Keep avoiding it!  We don't want to get a New Rome T.O.W. from you!  I hadn't heard about the DUI problems, but I was told they had got in trouble a few times for beating people up that they had arrested.  Lucky I didn't get taken to the trailer!  I don't know about bribes, but it wouldn't suprise me at all.  In the court the magistrat drop the charge of being uninsured on I think all of the people!  I would think driving uninsured is a much bigger problem then many of the traffic violations they stop people for.  He ended just about each sentence he passed with s 30 days in jail suspended sentence as long as you pay all fines and costs on time.   The way I see it, that's really all a fine is.  A bribe not to put you in jail or take away your "privledge"  People don't stop breaking the law because of fines!  It's all about making money!



Could you post the perimeters of New Rome, perhaps with a map graphic too, so that the rest of the general population who don't live in that area know where NOT to go, EVER, in the future?

Grandview Heights, has also been known to follow New Rome's example.

Where Kenny Road turns from a 4 lane highway, into a 2 lane road, the speed limit varies from 45 down to 25.
Yes, I got ticketed.
SO...What I did since I lived in the area at the time, was to drive through that speed trap with a vengence.  When I hit the 25 speed trap, I switched to @ 21 miles per hour, and just maintained.
Traffic, of course, would build up behind me.
Those drivers, of course, got quite ticked, to say the least.
But I didn't care.
First of all, I was protecting those drivers behind me, whether they knew it or not, from getting a speeding ticket.
Secondly, if that's what this little "burg" wanted, I was going to giveit to them in spades.

Result:  I messed up traffic - big time, and was glad to do it.
Second:  If you do this, be careful NOT to go TOO slow, because they can give you a ticket for that too.  But no court in Ohio would make you pay a ticket because you were going 3 to 4 miles UNDER the speed limit.
They will if it's closer to 5 to 10 miles under (you're obstructing traffic).

Good Luck and keep us posted on the war in New Rome.

LG

Jim says:

Thanks LG!  That is great advice!  This is both a T.O.W. and good advice!  In case anyone missed it, we have a map and directions to detour New Rome!  CLICK HERE FOR THE NEW ROME DETOUR
There are several speed traps.  Valley View is another good one here in Columbus.  My dad got a ticket a long time ago for going 27 in a 25 zone.  How about that!  Too bad I wasn't around to do something about it then.  hahaha



I heard you on John Corby show WTVN-610.

If you don't pay a ticket, they first have the BMV cancel your driver's license. Then if and when you are stopped for anything else, anywhere else, they will arrest you for driving with a forfeited license (DUS). The BMV will also charge you a reinstatement fee ($250+). The DUS charge will give you 6 points and possible jail time, and probably raise your insurance rates. So it is not wise to ignore a speeding ticket anywhere.

It may cost you, but hiring a lawyer could allow you to challenge the whole issuance of the ticket since the government there is not really legit (according to the Dispatch).

Also, rent the video of the 1991 movie called "Nothing But Troble" starring Chevy Chase, Dan Aykroyd, Demi Moore, John Candy (Yes! All-star cast) about a similar town called Vankenville. It is a hoot, but no funnier than Nuevo Roma.

Good luck and Semper Fi.

JB

Jim says:

Thanks for the mail.  I do understand the possible consequences.  Believe me, I don't take what I'm doing so lightly as what the page may reflect.  A lot of humor revolves around anger and distrust.  It's a way to vent the frustration about something you can't do anything about.  I have talked to several lawyers and have been told that since I withdrew my appeal there is nothing I can do.  Is this true or do they just not want to deal with it?  I don't know what to do.  Now that New Rome has but their ass in a sling, I am going to talk to more lawyers and maybe one will be more willing to consider the issue.  I guess I have an overdeveloped sense of right and wrong because I could just pay the ticket and be done with it, but then I feel all this would be for nothing.

As for the movie Nothing but Trouble, I own the DVD!  It's great!

Thanks,
Jim



Hey Jim;
I heard you on WTVN tonite and I loved it.  I really appreciate what you are doing.  Great web site.
I have read all the stuff about New Rome and I told my wife there were thousands of persons illegally picked
up for speeding in that place when you have that many cops in a small town.  Reminded me of the 50s in
Georgia.  I know I will NEVER travel through New Rome for any reason.  I hope all the gasoline stations and
restaurants suffer because me and thousands of other people will pass up that dump.
John

Jim says:

Thanks John!  From what I have read the businesses really dislike New Rome's practices.  They do suffer because people by-pass New Rome.  I feel bad for the people who happen to live in New Rome and run their business there.  They are just as much victims as the people getting tickets.


Good job on the web site. I have two points for this eMail: Let the word out and define what constitutes a speed trap.

     I have been trying to define a speed trap and started a list of criteria. I could not find a definition on the web site so I thought
     I would give it a good start.

          Definition:
          A strip of road that is used by local governments to finance their general revenue fund with excessive policing and
          poor speed limit signage.

          Characteristics of a Speed Trap:
               In a community with few revenue streams such as property or income taxes.
               A road with unreasonably low speed limits for the conditions. This may be a 35 mile zone in a rural setting, or
               45 on a four-lane highway with a median strip for separation of directions, or a road that has no apparent
               reason for speed reduction.
               A de facto speed limit that is randomly enforced. By allowing most traffic to travel up to 15 miles over the
               speed limit, a de facto speed limit is set at the higher limit. Enforcing a lower limit at random is
               unconstitutional, finding a smart person to articulate that point is a challenge.
               Poor or non-existent signage for speed limits.
               A court process that is run by a magistrate or process that discourages court adversarial appearances by
               ignoring normal due process of  law. They usually get away with this because the appellate process is cost
               prohibitive. The fine is set low enough to discourage appeals but high enough to raise revenue.
               There is an unusual ratio of traffic police to the number of residents.
     What can we do? You have already started the process with your web site by getting the word out. What now, a
     movement? What would this movement look like? I propose we hit them in the pocketbook. Many of the council members
     of these towns support this behavior or defend it as a protection for their residents. That's bologna, a speed trap has nothing
     to do with protection of residents. Otherwise they would clearly mark the streets with proper signage, slow children
     crossing, or provide proper street crossings. Most of these council members are business owners. They have the most to
     gain by being on council, can break away since they are the boss, and usually can work for little or no pay on council
     efforts since they have a pretty good income as back-up. I propose the movement start with the business owners, who
     again are the council members or have their friends on council. If contacted by a business who has their principle business
     within these city limits, give them the word that you don't support businesses within municipalities that support speed
     traps. "I'm sorry, I support New Rome sucks which has identified your community as supporting speed traps. I can not in
     good conscience purchase from you." In time, as the word gets out this can be shortened. Through conversations I think
     New Rome qualifies under these guidelines. Other areas that qualify are Reynoldsburg, Dublin rural roads, and Route 23
     around Delaware municipal limits. The latter is a joke too around the state.

There are maniacs on the road and I do not support them. I see them zip by me on the road, shoot around ambulances, pass at
inappropriate times, etc. I never see them pulled over. In time, police will actually have to do police work rather than sleep in their cars waiting for the radar to beep.

Here is a link you probably have seen, but I didn't see it on the site.
http://www.speedtrap.com/

What do you think? Good luck on your fight.

Sincerely
Tom

Jim says:

Thanks Tom!  That is awesome!  I can't agree with you enough about the change that needs to happen.  I am keeping my fingers crossed and cheering the new Mayor on.  He is the key to starting the change you speak of.  I have a good feeling that he will be able to get things changed.  It may take time, but New Rome isn't going anywhere!  The people who think they are running it, though, will be out on their ear before they know it.



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